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[llerrav619]

What's up JZXP?

I compleded my W58 swap (with the help of Wendal) and when the car is running, it will not go into gear. So I replaced the clutch master cylider with a new one from B.A.P. and the slave cylinder that is in fairly new condition. I adjusted the clutch pedal to get the slave to push out further and still nothing. The clutch is a brand new Exedy OEM replacement and the flywheel is new from B.A.P.

I am not going to give up on this car so any helpful info that you all have would be greatly appreciated.

Let me know what y'all think so that I can get my car back on the road.

Thank you guys in advance.

V!

[ChriSOL]

you made sure the clutch, pressure plate, bearings and fork were all installed correctly? no missing pieces? I know on the R154 there's a lot more involved but dunno specifics on w58. Seems like that would be where you would want to start though.

[Gibbs]

Syncros could also be bad or the fork and throw out bearing could be setup wrong it's s very loose setup on that tranny.

[llerrav619]

ChriSOL,

Yep, everything is installed properly and no missing parts. I do remember that the transmission was a little bit of a pain to put in but after I finally rented a transmission jack, it was a little easier to get it on the engine but for some reason, it did not slide on all the way before I was able to bolt it down.

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CominInHot,

Before the transmission was installed, it went through all of the gears pretty easily. The seller claimed that the donor MKIII only had 80,000 on it when he pulled the motor and trans from it at the junk yard.

I did have to remove the throwout bearing assembly to have a new one pressed on and put it all back on because it only goes on one way so that the clips line up. I greased it all , put it back together and proceeded to install the transmission.

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To All,

This was my first time installing a transmission while the engine was still in the car and I recall that I could not get it to to slide on all the way for the life of me. I had to get it to a point where it was as close as possible and bolted it up the rest of the way to get the trans fully seated to the engine block.

Man for something so simple, I am stumped.

[Gibbs]

One of the reason is the clutch and pressure plate isn't straight so it's now lineing up directly

[llerrav619]

Yeah, you may be right. It's weird because I used the alignment tool when I mounted the disk and the pressure plate to the flywheel so I thought that it would have been perfect. I even hammered the pilot bearing a few times into the back of the crank just to make sure that it was in as far as it needed to be.

I'm going to work on it this weekend and get the wiring part done too. I follow the diagram that I found on toyotacressida.net and it did not work when trying to start the car.

Let me know if y'all have any other ideas or suggestions so I can get that thang on the road.

Thank you.

[Kyle]

It goes into gear fine when not running though? That's kinda what I gathered from the first post, have you tried to put it in gear, then start the car and disengage the clutch just to see what it does?

[llerrav619]

Yep I tried that. When starting, the car lurches forward and will only stay still when the brakes are applied with the clutch disengaged (foot on it). It continues to run but when removing my foot from the clutch it moves but will not shift into any other gear. It is almost like trying to shift without using the clutch.

Any ideas?

[rayray]

you bleed the clutch?

[llerrav619]

Oh yes. That was the first that we did after we got the trans in; bled the slave on the old one and the replacement one. I forgot to list that in one of my previous posts. I thought that it would have been better with the new slave because the old one would stick because of all of the crap inside of it.

Any other ideas? I'm not ready to throw the towel in on this one. I am at a point of no return.

[toyotatodd]

i have had similar issues in the past and it was the pedal being adjusted wrong and was pushing the throwout bearing so far the the pressure plate fingers were actually hitting the center of the clutch disk. when i pulled the clutch out the disk was trashed. the pressure plate dug big grooves in the center of it. it was also a hydraulic setup so just may be something to look at

[Gibbs]

Yes the clutch pedal is pretty funky it's like that on my buddys brown x8 some reason the pedal has clearance issues and doesn't like to engage super well

[7MX63]

Check the condition of the slave cylinder.

We couldn't get the clutch to bleed on my friends truck, and we thought it was a clutch issue also. I took apart the slave, and noticed a bunch of rust/corrosion towards the end of the cylinders travel. It was basically hitting it and getting stuck, not allowing full pressure.

Took some scotch brite, scuffed the rust off and reassembled.

Problem was gone.


But all points mentioned previously are good things to check.



Remove the little rubber cover around the fork, and have somebody press the clutch while you look in there with a flashlight. Do you see it moving enough?

[Kyle]

Make sure none of the electrical boxes are interfering with the pedals stroke. I think the door control box was keeping me partially engaged all the time and didn't notice until I swapped it to another car. Funny thing was I blew the 7m before the clutch went

[llerrav619]

Toyotatodd,

I will try that to make sure that the clutch is not damaged at all. That will be a last resort because putting that thing in was a pain in the neck. I hope that it is not that though.

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CominInHot,

My pedal is a little funky as well. It seemed to be a slightly loose so that may actually be contributing to the issue.

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7MX63,

The old slave had a lot of rust and corrosion in it and the new one was not so bad but I will definitely check it again.

When looking at the fork move when someone is pressing the clutch, it does not seem to travel much; maybe an inch. To my understanding, the fork needs to travel roughly two inches or more to properly disengage the clutch. Is that true? I will check that too.

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Kyle Phelan,

Yep, all of the electrical boxes are clear, even all of the extra ones for the alarm. In fact, I am trying to figure out how in the world I am going to put them back in now that the clutch pedal is there. Oh well.

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To everyone, these are all great ideas so I will work with what you all have suggested and I will be following up with you all soon.

Thank you all so much.

V!

[Kyle]

I used zipties to get all that stuff out of the way, cheap and easy

[zokustyle]

Have you checked your transmission oil level?

[Mo]

Dude, what direction did you install the clutch disc? I bet you installed it backwards.

[llerrav619]

Kyle Phelan,

I may try that. The previous owner installed a Viper alarm and all of the extra modules that I had to remove to get the clutch pedal to go in all the way are the ones that I am concerned about. He did a super tight install so there is like no slack on the module plugs to relocate them. I'll figure it out though.

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zokustyle,

The oil level is good. I filled it up with the recommended amount which was about 3 to 4 litres if I remember correctly. The transmission was totally empty when I bought it.

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Mo,

I did actually install the clutch disc correctly. In fact the clutch disc will only go on one way because the transmission side of the clutch disc will not allow the disc to rest fully on the flywheel when using the alignment tool. And as a "CYA" on Exedy's side, the clutch disc reads "T/M Side" to help folks see how to properly install it.

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I thank you guys for the ideas.

[zokustyle]

OKAY I GOT IT.

I looked back at some old stuff and found your problem:






you're using a W58!



















just kidding, good luck on working it out.