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[CelicaDRIFTER]

saw this.

http://www.drifting.com/forums/general-cha...s-race-gas.html

CARB Bans Race Gas - Under The Hood
Inside The Industry
From the July, 2010 issue of Import Tuner
By Scott Tsuneishi
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Under The Hood Vp Race Fuel
California has upheld the strictest vehicle emissions laws in all 50 states, punishing those who own modified vehicles and categorizing their rides as "gross polluters". As it appears, CARB (for California Air Resource Board), formed to regulate air quality while determining how clean and fuel-efficient a vehicle should run, is tightening the noose around our industry's neck a wee-bit tighter. These tree-hugging hippies have a long history of tussling with the automotive performance market, devising requirements for every underhood modification imaginable, to advocating increasingly more stringent smog laws in an attempt to legislate performance out of our cars. If CARB attempting to scare the performance industry out of business isn't a bad enough thought, think about this: They just announced that it is illegal to sell, supply, and run race fuel in your street car.


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wut do ya think?

[Joe]

just fall into the ocean already california.

[mcfizzle]

Guess I'm okay with it. I don't care, really.

[Raceready68]

Canada has banned leaded race gas. It has effected my work some what so far. But we found a Canadian source for Ethanol pretty close by so we have been playing around with that and getting some really good gains. I will be running my boosted cars on E50. On a N/A SBC we picked up 15hp and 20 tq on the Engine Dyno with no changes other then the switch to E50.

Most of the USA is lucky to get E85 from the pump and dirt cheep. We have to make our own.

[JimmyHoffa]

With the technology we have today I fail to see why we still need to have leaded gas at all. I'm no environment hippie, but lead makes you dumb and wrecks widebands... also ignoring good technology is stupid. Just do what they did in the 80s in F1, run 83% toluene ~10% gasoline and ~7% "other" then you can run 5 bar of boost (except the 7% "other" was probably tetra-ethyl lead. lol). You can get toluene by the barrel at paint supply stores and you don't have to pay road tax. I know a few guys that run a gas/toluene mix in their cars to up the octane level (a gallon per tank will give you approx 5 octane point increase depending on tank size, and only up to a point). There's also E85, methanol, pure ethanol, etc, the only things you need are a tunable ECU or AFC and properly sized injectors (and in the case of some options, different seals and hoses that won't be eaten by the fuel)

A lot of honda guys run E85 and make tons of power, you just need to have bigass injectors and tune for it.

[CelicaDRIFTER]

yeah, friend of mine told me this...

You can use a mix of 10-20% Tolulene or Xylene with your premium gas (91), and that would work really good. Tolulene has an octane rating 117 R+M. xylene is slightly lower. Known many in SCCA events use this to save a few bucks

as for E85, not too many E85 gas stations around here. only one i know of is up to an hours drive. lol.

but also banning the sales of race gas? its gonna suck for those with drag/road race/ drift cars that buy cans of race gas per event.

[mcfizzle]

Knowing how the sale of race gas goes (at least around here), I have no idea how they're going to effectively regulate it.

It's still available though, just not for street cars.

[MX72]

yeah, friend of mine told me this...

You can use a mix of 10-20% Tolulene or Xylene with your premium gas (91), and that would work really good. Tolulene has an octane rating 117 R+M. xylene is slightly lower. Known many in SCCA events use this to save a few bucks

as for E85, not too many E85 gas stations around here. only one i know of is up to an hours drive. lol.

but also banning the sales of race gas? its gonna suck for those with drag/road race/ drift cars that buy cans of race gas per event.

They've got E-85 in Pomona at 100 W. Foothill (at Garey) open 24/7. It's @2.59.9 / gal.

[CelicaDRIFTER]

yeah, heard of that one. and like i said, up to an hours drive in traffic. haha.

but wutever. would be cool if there were more stations around. or at least one e85 pump in each city.



and who the hell runs race gas in their street car according to that link?

[Jason]

i read the scanned statement earlier today, its bullshit really. just says its illegal to run "race gas", iirc the term race gas was undefined. no octane scale/range given.

if your car is registered and runs on the road, you drive it to the track etc, it is NOT a race car, therefore you can not run race gas. if your car is off road only, non op, whatever then as long as you tow it to where youre going, then run it off road, youre AOK.

its whatever really. i dont see it impacting me. i dont see it impacting that many people anyway. yes theyre tightening the noose, and its going to lead to other restrictions, but this in itself is just stupid for everyone to get salty about.

[cocobutterz]

as for E85, not too many E85 gas stations around here. only one i know of is up to an hours drive. lol.

in south dakota and shit you can't go anywhere and not find e85 pumps. go figure, all they have down there is soy and corn fields.

[CelicaDRIFTER]

Ahh, so u still can buy this shit for your race car.

[mcfizzle]

Of course you can. You'd have all sorts of people throwing all sorts of shit fits if you couldn't. And it's usually dudes made of money that are buying tanks/barrels of the stuff anyhow.

[Jamieson]

76 Station in Redlands on Lugonia sells 100 octane at the pump, wonder if they are going to have to stop selling it. CARB is just a form of legal extortion. Do you really think they give a shit about our air? Fuck no. All they give a shit about is the $30,000 PER PART NUMBER they give(read: sell) a CARB E.O. number to. Ever wonder why CARB legal parts are so expensive?

[Jason]

yea i need to get a exhaust manifold for my delsol..which has the close coupled catalyst. $190 on rock auto, not legal for sale in cali. cali legal ones are almost $600.





...brian, you might be getting a package in a few weeks.

[mcfizzle]

Well, that's it. Moving to California is officially out of my plans forever.

[Jamieson]

Moving out of Cali just moved to the top of my list. I can't count how many times I have had to turn away customers because they need a cat and the computer says "not for california use". Especially the type thats built into the exhaust manifold, our price was $450, I cant imagine how much the dealer wants for it. It's not only that, we had to take a ton of brake cleaner and engine degreaser off the shelf because it wasnt "california compliant". Anyone remember Chem-Dip? That stuff was awesone, but can we get it in california anymore? Hell no. California has the worst and highest priced gas despite using more gas than any other state. This: http://www.arb.ca.gov/lispub/comm/bccomdis...&virt_num=5 has nothing to do with Cressidas, but gives you an idea of how corrupt CARB is. Arizona is starting to sound pretty nice right about now.

[Guy Smiley]

Fuck California. I want to sip Singapore Slingers on the beach at Arizona Bay. Come on Mother Natrure/Edgar Casey

[rayray]

They've got E-85 in Pomona at 100 W. Foothill (at Garey) open 24/7. It's @2.59.9 / gal.

^this

e85, the new race gas

[mx83fuentes]

Good thing I live in florida lol but everyone is swicthing to e85 over here for higher octane an its alot cheaper too.