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What gear oil is best for R154?


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#41 Gordo

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 10:44 AM

In a manual trans............

Clean what ?

I have had 50 year old gear boxes appart, and nothing inside but gear oil.

The only thing I have ever get in one is water, and then the trans is shot anyway.

I hope you realize that some of that moose milk will harm the bronze syncros, right ?

That is why some of the GL5 and up gear oils don't work for shit in Toyota boxes.

 

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:58 AM

no i was unaware of the issues with toyota transmission and specific oils. i have ran moose milk threw other transmissions and not had an issue and with that retarded think i figured whats good for the gander is good for the goose. 


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 08:21 PM

Wait- you ran cutting fluid in a transmission? Are you retarded? Why would you use anything with a water emulsification as a pure lubricant? fucking olive oil would work better. Also, it's not just toyota transmissions. Any and all transmission work best with a given kind of gear oil. It's all based on construction. You cant just throw straight weight industrial gear oil in and expect it to work great. 



I for one will say that I'm not a huge fan of any redline products. I still use it, because I havnt found anything better for the price. I like motul  gear oil, it retained its shift properties better than my MT90 did in my last W58, but locally its also twice the price. I usually change my gear oil before it gets a chance to lose its additives anyways, since its got particulate in it before it even gets to that point :( hahaha.

 

 

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 08:55 PM

who said cutting fluid. i put marvel mystery oil in with some normal everyday gear oil. 


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 09:03 PM

moose milk= slang for cutting fluid


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 09:07 PM

i thought he was talking about marvel mystery oil. my bad.

makes sense now thinking about cutting fluid after mixing it with water


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Posted 23 November 2016 - 12:01 PM

Going to bump an old thread here...

A month or so ago, I had rebuilt a Nissan W71B 5-speed.

Nearly identical to the W58, except it came apart and went back together a lot easier than the W58.

Same style bronze syncros, same size bearings, shafts, shift forks, etc..

 

Since I had red line MT90 on the shelf, it went in.

Fucking thing shifted like shit !

 

Drained out the MT90, threw in some Mobil-1 gear lube.

It shifted better, but still not what I would expect out of a fresh rebuild.

 

Came across a thread on gear lubes & shifting problems that had a bunch of info, but basically saying that the new synthetics or semi-synthetics, although they meet GL-4 requirements, don't get the job done like an old dino lube.

One of the few remaining petroleum gear lubes around is made by CRC, under the Stay-lube name, in SAE85w90, and is sold at NAPA stores.

Picked up some, put it in the trans, and all shifting problems went away.

 

Guess I would rather change out gear oil once a year, than put up with shifting problems.


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Posted 25 November 2016 - 06:05 PM

Good info, I'll stop by Napa and try some of that. My R154 shifts decently on the street with MT90 but trying to grab 3rd while drifting is a gamble 



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Posted 25 November 2016 - 06:57 PM

So what you're saying is that would probably be good for my shitty CD six speed.
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Posted 25 November 2016 - 08:00 PM

You should also try Shell MTX fluid, I've been hearing good things about it.

 

What, you can't find MTX ?

It's sold through both GM & Dodge dealers.

 

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Posted 02 January 2017 - 12:41 PM

redline mt90


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Posted 03 January 2017 - 12:32 PM

I had regular dyno lube in both my w58 and r154. When I switched them out for MT90 both shifted better. I know the zf gear boxes shift like asshole with regular gear oil for the first 1kmiles or so, never asked why.


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Posted 03 January 2017 - 11:03 PM

depends on trans and what they call for as well. which is what gordo was saying. r boxes are that transition years, from old to not so old. i dont have a fsm that tells me what toyota asks for in it.

 

side note, honda is notorious for this and their transmissions will only run on their oils, honda atf, honda diff fluid, honda synchomesh whatever fluid for their manual transmissions. internet was saying normal motor oil works fine too (its a 10w30? by designation, but motor oil is NO good for the trans) this was the leading cause of a friend of mine nuking 3 transmissions on his ef lol. its meant to get you home if you have none...but really if u have none, you either never change it and it was leaking, or you have a hole in the box..in which case you have minimal choices..

 

food for thoughts






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